
Senate on Verge of Health Bill With 'Public' Plan
WASHINGTON -- Top Senate Democrats are close to finalizing their health bill and could unveil a measure as soon as early this week that would include stiffer penalties on employers who fail to provide health coverage.
Senate leaders plan to submit the bill to the Congressional Budget Office for a cost estimate as soon as Monday, and make the legislation public as soon as Tuesday, according to a person familiar with the negotiations.
Details of the legislation could change, but its broad outlines are becoming clear. Employers with more than 50 workers wouldn't be required to provide health insurance, but they would face fines of up to $750 per employee if even part of their work force received a government subsidy to buy health insurance, this person said. A bill passed by the Senate Finance Committee had a lower fine of up to $400 per employee.
Dems push for benefits to kick in by 2010
Democrats are pushing Senate leaders and the White House to speed up key benefits in the health reform bill to 2010, eager to give the party something to show taxpayers for their $900 billion investment in an election year.
The most significant changes to the health care system wouldn’t kick in until 2013 – two election cycles away. With Republicans expected to make next year a referendum on health care reform, Democrats are quietly lobbying to push up the effective dates on popular programs, so they'll have something to run on in the congressional midterms.
MoveOn turns fire on the White House
With the news that President Obama appears to prefer a public plan with a trigger instead of an opt-out, the left has started to mobilize. MoveOn blasted an email out to supporters this afternoon asking them to call the White House to oppose the trigger option favored by Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe.
FIRST. : )
ReplyDeleteWell, we are going to need a trigger option with the gun they're placing against our heads.
ReplyDeleteThird!
ReplyDeleteSo let me get this right. If I employ 6 people and 1 of them benefit from a government subsidy than I will be fined?
ReplyDeleteIt just occurred to me: MoveOn likes Olympia Snowe?
ReplyDeleteOuch.
/RINO!
Congressional Budget Office numbers have always been funny numbers. Billions and billions off their guestimates. These folks invented the NEW MATH.
ReplyDeleteGive me back my choice of private Health Savings Accounts and my choice of high deductible or catastrophic health insurance, and I don't need no stinking government national health plan.
Alegrias: You are exactly right. Why can't I buy a hospitalization/major medical policy like my parents had? Why does my insurance have to cover obstetrics when I am out of the baby-making business? I just want to make my own choices, which is the last thing the socialists want me to do.
ReplyDeleteImagine medicine without so much red tape--imagine paying your doctor for services up front, unless they're extraordinary expenses.
ReplyDeleteBut it's a public option with a state opt-out and co-ops, that's a good thing right?
ReplyDelete////
Major Garrett just twittered (tweeted?) that Olympia Snowe is "deeply disappointed" in Reid public option with "opt-out"....
ReplyDelete~loppyd
@Alegrias: no red tape = no gov't bureaucra(p)cy = no "jobs for the boys" ;-)
ReplyDelete/The Chicago Way
I don't think they're paying attention to the polls on this one.
ReplyDeleteHow do we make them understand that they're about to do something very destructive and unpopular? (Assuming they give a rat's ass...which I know they don't.)
Democrats are bound and determined to ram this thing through, because it's a power grab. This isn't about anyone's "health". I really believe that.
Hey, loppy - thanks for that. They don't need her anyway, do they? (Or do they? I've lost track.)
ReplyDeleteWow, John Kerry undercutting General McChrystal's best professional judgment. Who would have thunk it?
ReplyDeleteOf course, I am happy to see other countries step up to the plate & deal with the Afghan/Pakistan/Jihadistan global problem by contributing time, talent & treasure.
My objects still stand....
ReplyDelete10) Imagine health care provided at the Department of Motor Vehicles.
9) The current proposals include provisions for health care record keeping and IRS for determinations of income and billing within the health care bureaucracy, financial and health information all accessible at a single point.
8) Health care and insurance are not perfect, some changes are necessary to fix those areas that need improvement. Improvements do not require wholesale destruction and remaking of 17% of the country's economy.
7) We can't afford it. $9 Trillion in deficits, $45 Trillion in unfunded Medicare mandates. Do we expect with reform the Federal Government will suddenly discover fiscal responsibility?
6) The Government is already spending and consuming too much The Government Consumes 45% of the GDP, Health Care is 17% of the GDP. Having Government consume 61% of the GDP will be untenable.
5) Obtaining health insurance / health care is a private contract. It is contract with a company and or individuals, private contracts are not within the prevue of the Federal Government.
4) The Federal Government is not authorized under the laws of establishing this Constitutional Republic to meddle in the health insurance / health care market place. Health insurance / health care is not an enumerated power and belongs to the States. Pass a Constitutional Amendment to take over health care.
3) Property: Health Insurance, obtaining health care is property. I take the product of my labor and exchange it with insurance companies and health care providers for health care.
2) Liberty: How I live my life, the choices I make, especially regarding my health care are my decisions, such decisions should not be under the scrutiny of the Federal Government.
1) Life: Health care directly affects my life, the length, and quality of my life. It is not subject to governmental interference.
Do health care reform in small bills.
1) Promote HSAs.
2) Natioanal risk pools.
3) Tort reform.
Individuals bills, each one dealing specifically with a small area of reform so the consequences and costs can be easily understood.
Till then Harry "Real Estate" Reid can shove all 1500 pages where the sun don't shine.
So, is the "public option," another case of putting something in which was taken out but was never in in the first place?
ReplyDeleteCorre∫pondence Committee said...
ReplyDeleteHey, loppy - thanks for that. They don't need her anyway, do they? (Or do they? I've lost track.)
They need her to be able to claim "bipartasian."
Alegrias, we have an HSA and it does really work, doesn't it? My son had kind of an asthma attack and we went to the emergency room. They gave him a starter inhaler with a small-child adapter thing on it. We went to the pharmacy to get the full inhaler. They said the bill was $65. I noticed they had included another plastic inhaler thing and I told them we didn't need that (because it was my money). The new bill? $40.
ReplyDeletePublic Option = camel's nose.
ReplyDeleteJCM, yeah - I'm sure that's true. It's just weird to me. If they think it's so great why do they need a lone Republican to blame? (Again, rhetorical. I know why.)
ReplyDeleteAlegrias said...
ReplyDeleteWow, John Kerry undercutting General McChrystal's best professional judgment. Who would have thunk it?
J F'n K has a magic hat, makes him expert on all matters military.
So what is preventing an employer from firing all of their employees and hiring them back as independant contractors?
ReplyDeleteCC:
ReplyDeleteThey need her.
Origin of Specious said...
ReplyDeleteSo what is preventing an employer from firing all of their employees and hiring them back as independant contractors?
Or using a employment company. When I take over my business in December all of the employees will be transferred to an employment broker. Will add 3-5% on payroll but much cheaper in the long run.
From what I recall, Olympia Snowe worked with Sen. Leader Mitch McConnell to delay the democrats while pretending to be bi-partisan--giving the Tea Party people & open Town Hall meetings time to piss off Americans paying any attention.
ReplyDeleteIn a sense, having Olympia Snowe plodding along asking her Democrat colleagues picky questions about minutiae may have helped slow down this monstrosity by allowing it to get truly gargantuan & ugly.
Erik The Red:
ReplyDeleteI just posed your question on Twitter...
(had to sign in as me - hate that I can't use wordpress account)
Well, you can tell by the way I use my talk,
ReplyDeleteWe gotta pass health care--no time to balk
Who cares if the money can be found?
You're in for a penny, you're in for a pound
And now it's all right, it's OK
I won, so it's gonna be all my way
Don't bother tryin' to understand
Just trust yourself to the government hand
Whether it's your brother or whether it's your mother Trying stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
With our ration we'll determine in our own fashion
If they're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive
--apologies to the Bee Gees
Spenser with an S,
ReplyDeleteSorry to hear about your child's asthma attack; but congratulations, you were still alert enough to watch your pharmacy bill & bottom line!
loppyd said...
ReplyDeleteErik The Red:
I just posed your question on Twitter...
I would be interested in the replies.
Buzz Saw, your Stayin' Alive lyrics should be Harry Reid's Public Option song!
ReplyDeleteNone yet. It is going at warp speed right now.
ReplyDeleteHey Buzzsaw....
ReplyDeleteSpitfire Murphy said...
ReplyDeleteCC:
They need her.
As a human shield....
Hope Snowejob is smart enough to figure that out....
JCM
ReplyDeleteI think she knows. Believe me, I'm no fan. I think she will know when she's being played, though. Susan Collins is an entirely different story, though.
Erik - remember the Milton Friedman video from yesterday?
ReplyDeleteJust what he said, if government interferes in the market place too much the first to suffer are those for whom the 'well intended' ideas were fashioned for.
Will they ever learn from past mistakes?
I am afraid not!
Thanks, Alegrias but he's doing great. This was a "pre-asthma" problem when he was 3 that they said would probably turn into asthma but 3 years later and nothing, praise God. But yes, you do watch that bill much closer when it's your money.
ReplyDeleteHey Loppy, long time no talk. How're you doing?
ReplyDeleteHi Spenser!
ReplyDeleteI'm great. How are things with you?
{Loppy}!! Hi. Good to see you.
ReplyDeleteHi all!
{Callahan} is in the house!!! Hi hon!
ReplyDeleteSpenser with an S,
ReplyDeleteThe other good thing about HSAs is you still have your health care money, it hasn't been sent off to the insurance company, so you don't have to grovel & beg for reimbursement. Your money for healthcare in your hands, what a concept! Only DEMS have a problem with this arrangement.
Hi {gak}! How's things?
ReplyDeleteI still want Pelousy to answer the damn question.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the Constitutional Authority for Health Care reform?
If there is such a thing, she should know it.
I think she knows there isn't hence the response, "you've got to be kidding me."
buzzsawmonkey said...
ReplyDeleteOh, Bravo! I immediately get a visual of Obama making his way down the congressional aisle winking and pointing out to his friends on the left side of chamber. Oh, and singing your ditty in Robin Gibbs' voice!
Doing good, Loppy. I started my new job today and I'm also picking up a few hours at my previous employer tonight. So, after being under-employed for the past 8 months, today I'm working 12 hours. Feels good.
ReplyDeleteloppyd - this place is really feeling like home, with all the familiar nics.
ReplyDeleteCongratulations on re-employment, Spenser.
ReplyDeleteCallahan23 said...
ReplyDeleteHi {gak}! How's things?
Things are good. What's your take on the political environment in your neck of the woods?
Russkilitlover,
ReplyDeleteOh, Bravo! I immediately get a visual of Obama making his way down the congressional aisle winking and pointing out to his friends on the left side of chamber. Oh, and singing your ditty in Robin Gibbs' voice!
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Replete with John Travoltas white suit that is wide at the ankles and very .. tight up on ....
Here my visual all but breaks up!
{midwestgak}!
ReplyDeleteHey there...
I don't know, Callahan...mightn't a white suit be considered "racist?"
ReplyDeleteSpenser:
ReplyDeleteA new job? Good for you! Great to hear news like that these days.
Spenser (with an S) - congratulations on your jobs!
ReplyDeleteFriends, Citizen, lend me your ears! Eight (8) days until elections in Virginia and New Jersey! Alert anyone you know in those states please.
ReplyDeletePres. Obama will make a full court fundraising blitz, as will SEIU unionistas and, unbelievably, college kids from Michigan, on behalf of democrats' chances.
(Why are Michigan college kids being bused to Virginia for democrats, when their state is a basket case already?)
Hey Kosh...
ReplyDeleteHey Cal. Your German (or maybe EU) employment laws crack me up. Me? I got a call one morning laying me off with 2 weeks pay. My German friends? "Nein. I don't accept this decision. Here's the number of the employment bureau who will tell you how if you may let me go and how many months you must keep paying me while I go home and wait for the decision. At full pay. Thank you!"
ReplyDeleteCongratulations on the new job, Spenser!
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone have any clue what is in this Senate Bill?
ReplyDeleteThanks, all. And I'm in MI, no less. My wife says I pulled a "full-time" needle out of the haystack that is MI while beating 16 other people to the punch.
ReplyDeleteSpenser,
ReplyDeleteThose cumbersome labor laws are the reason Spain's unemployment is over 30%. No employer will hire anyone they can NEVER fire!
It's such a jobs killer.
rawmuse:
ReplyDeleteThere is no bill to have a clue about as of yet. But I'm sure it will be on the WH website so we can all read it soon.
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buzzsawmonkey,
ReplyDeleteI don't know, Callahan...mightn't a white suit be considered "racist?"
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I was focusing, err wrong phrasing there, on the style of tight packed area where the cojones should be.
// ducks and runs in serpentine pattern.
//¡Ándale! ¡Ándale! ¡Abajo! ¡ Abajo!
Raw Muse, over 1500 pages of bla bla bla costing trillions, that's what!
ReplyDeleterawmuse said...
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone have any clue what is in this Senate Bill?
Only the lawyers who wrote it and the administrative assistant(s) who typed it.
rawmuse said...
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone have any clue what is in this Senate Bill?
Yes, bend over and spread 'em.......
Hey rawmuse. How was your day?
ReplyDeleteMust get dinner ready.
ReplyDeleteHave a good night, all.
nite loppyd.
ReplyDeleteThere's no reform or transformation in that there 1500 page bill, just a big fat Trojan Horse for a stealth takeover
ReplyDeleteHey rawmuse. How was your day?
ReplyDeleteWe musicians don't have days, gak. ; )
My day is as good as can be under the circumstances...
ReplyDeleteMaking the best of it in any case.
midwestgak,
ReplyDeleteThings are good. What's your take on the political environment in your neck of the woods?
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The coalition contract between the CDU/CSU and the FDP has finally been signed. They seem to be able to tackle a few reforms that the big--coalition wasn't able to. Plus they are intent on lowering the taxes which is always a boon.
They also want to renegotiate the duration the nuclear power-plants are allowed to operate. They were planned to be phased out in the next 10 years or so with no alternative other than renewables *retch*.
Charles Krauthammer was a Democrat psychiatrist who served in democrat Pres. Jimmy Carter's Health department, if I recall.
ReplyDeleteHe says this 1500 page takeover bill is full of "hopeless inefficiencies" which increase government control; it's not about COMPETITION, which cuts costs.
Callahan, I hate to say it, but you got me thinking about a chorusline of uniformed UPS men singing about "delivering packages."
ReplyDeleteCorre∫pondence Committee said...
ReplyDeleteHey rawmuse. How was your day?
We musicians don't have days, gak. ; )
um, you and rawmuse are musicians? I'm clueless here. Now I can believe you are a magician with all you have done at this site.
Buzzsaw - You have me literally ROTFLMAO
ReplyDeleteI am a full time musician, albeit at times more full time than other times.
ReplyDeleteheheheh, Charles Krauthammer on Fox News slams John Kerry's faux outrage over health insurance profits, when his Kerry/Heinz ketchup industry makes double the profits the health insurance supposedly made.
ReplyDeleteOf course, in my universe, health insurance companies would be competing against each other & providing catastrophic coverage, not CADILLAC coverage, so they wouldn't make fortunes off health care to begin with.
rawmuse said...
ReplyDeleteI am a full time musician, albeit at times more full time than other times.
I've heard of stop-time, waltz time, quarter time...but I've never heard of full time.
Just a quick update for those of you keeping track - Mr. Doppel's interview went very, very well. In fact, the job is more senior than he was led to believe and will likely pay a good bit more than expected. Apparently, there is not one single person in the city who has his qualifications. (It's a small city.) He should know something by the end of the week. Thank you all so much for your good thoughts and prayers! I hope to see you all in the pub this evening.
ReplyDeleteIt's like being self employed in any other field. You can work as much as you like as long as it is all the time.
ReplyDeleterawmuse: I've been self-unemployed most of my life. I know what you mean.
ReplyDeleteSpenser (with an S),
ReplyDeleteHey Cal. Your German (or maybe EU) employment laws crack me up. Me? I got a call one morning laying me off with 2 weeks pay. My German friends? "Nein. I don't accept this decision. Here's the number of the employment bureau who will tell you how if you may let me go and how many months you must keep paying me while I go home and wait for the decision. At full pay. Thank you!"
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That makes the labor market extremely inflexible. On the one hand it is pretty difficult to loose a fixed job but in the case that you are looking for one there are very few. Fixed jobs that are indefinite are very hard to come by nowadays.
My jobs have always had an expiry date, that is the way for the employer to not having to deal with too much of legal hassle. Even governmental employers are doin' it.
Isn't that ironic?
rawmuse said...
ReplyDeleteI am a full time musician, albeit at times more full time than other times.
So you don't have "days." You sleep days, work nights. I have respect for those that are built that way. I'm done between 8:30 and 9:00 p.m.
doppelganglander said...
ReplyDeleteYay! That's terrific news! Make sure he sends his interview thank you note.
doppel - I definitely keep my fingers crossed!
ReplyDeleteThanks for the update doppel. See you in the Pub.
ReplyDeleteI work when I have to, and that means all hours.
ReplyDeleteDrop meat for vegetarian diet to fight climate warming: Lord Stern
ReplyDeletePEOPLE will need to turn vegetarian if the world is to conquer climate change, according to a leading authority on global warming.
Lord Stern said: "Meat is a wasteful use of water and creates a lot of greenhouse gases. It puts enormous pressure on the world's resources. A vegetarian diet is better."
Direct emissions of methane from cows and pigs is a significant source of greenhouse gases. Methane is 23 times more powerful than carbon dioxide as a global warming gas.
Lord Stern, the author of the influential 2006 Stern Review on the cost of tackling global warming, said that a successful deal at the Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen in December would lead to soaring costs for meat and other foods that generate large quantities of greenhouse gases.
He predicted that people's attitudes would evolve until meat eating became unacceptable.
/meat Nazi!
Those two pilots who weren't paying attention while supposedly "piloting" their planes should be FIRED.
ReplyDeleteThere are plenty of unemployed pilots who would be happy to work as pilots if those two Northwest pilots won't do their jobs.
Screw their union, if it tries to defend the indefensible--playing with your laptop instead of landing your aircraft is a firing offense in my book, no ifs ands or buts.
Health Care Reform is about anything but health care.
ReplyDeleteIt's about controlling 61% of GDP.
It's about control over individuals.
It's about making people dependant. Too many when their health care comes from their congresscritter will vote for that congresscritter.
Just because The Wee Won got 52.7% of the vote, just because (D)s have 60 seats in the Senate, just because Pelousy is squeaker with a majority.....
DOES NOT MEAN THE CONSTITUTION IS NULL AND VOID!
Alegrias said...
ReplyDeleteGive 'em a break, Google maps had misplaced Minneapolis.
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CC & rawmuse - musicians ay?
ReplyDeleteOh I'd so wish for a particular talent, like having a musical talent.
JCM, the Constitution doesn't guarantee their Union Job, either.
ReplyDeleteAlgerias, the NTSB says laptop use in a cockpit is prohibited.
ReplyDeleteThey should lose their commercial pilots' licenses.
And that would also mean they lose their jobs.
Give 'em a break, Google maps had misplaced Minneapolis.
ReplyDeleteI hear you can get a picture of the gate if you put the address in. ; )
(They were Northwest pilots, right? Isn't Minneapolis their hub?)
doppelganglander said... Mr. Doppel's interview went very, very well.
ReplyDeleteTHAT'S FANTASTIC. Holding thumbs.
Killian Bundy,
ReplyDeleteDrop meat for vegetarian diet to fight climate warming: Lord Stern
/meat Nazi!
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I know of another vegan nazi.
/*ducks*
Senator Lamar Alexander has really been stepping up to the plate, to tell Sen. Reid where to put his public option.
ReplyDeleteAnd Sen. Alexander last week told Pres. Obama not to be Nixonian.
Woo hoo, Senator Alexander, you rock!
Resume
ReplyDelete--Dorothy Parker
Razors pain you
Rivers are damp
Acids stain you
And drugs cause cramp
Guns aren't lawful
Nooses give
Gas smells awful
You might as well live
US Government Publication
(projected)
Surgery's pricey
Drugs, untried
Treatment's dicey
We're on your side
Facility's crowded
We need that bed
You've spent what's allowed
So please drop dead
Oh I'd so wish for a particular talent, like having a musical talent.
ReplyDeleteIt's a blessing and a curse, Cal. ; )
US Government Publication
ReplyDelete(projected)
Surgery's pricey
Drugs, untried
Treatment's dicey
We're on your side
Facility's crowded
We need that bed
You've spent what's allowed
So please drop dead
LMAO buzz
Buzz! You HAVE to put that talent to make money for you somehow. On youtube? People would die laughing listening to your ditties.
ReplyDeleteThat's brilliant. You are amazing. How did you condense a 1500 page document into pithy 8 lines?
CC - my geology teacher some 27 years back told me to decide for a line of profession. I still haven't found my true passion. Being a kind of Jack-of-all-trades is also a blessing and a big curse. ;-)
ReplyDeleteAlegrias: Hell, I don't know. A word strikes another word like flint against steel, and there it is.
ReplyDeleteThat's great, Buzz. I know the 'please' was necessary for rhythm, but the gov't doesn't say 'please', you know.
ReplyDeleteI used to think I was a jack-of-all-trades, but I think really I'm just a jack-off.
ReplyDeleteMy career is a real jack-of that never took-off.
ReplyDeletebuzzsawmonkey said...
ReplyDeleteCallahan, I hate to say it, but you got me thinking about a chorusline of uniformed UPS men singing about "delivering packages."
[cough]
Er... did I come in at a bad time?
OR: That depends entirely on you.
ReplyDeleteCallahan23 said...
ReplyDeleteMy career is a real jack-of that never took-off.
A career jack-off?
Have considered running for Congress?
/
C'mon, everyone here is special! Refuseniks & rebels, full of passion for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
ReplyDeleteIt's great to be in your company during these times that try mens' souls.
Hi OR - no not at all!
ReplyDeleteGuns aren't lawful
ReplyDeleteMs. Parker obviously lived in New York City. (The Algonquin was a "gun-free zone", I guess.)
I have thought about running for Congress. I figure 2012, if I can get things in order by then.
ReplyDeletePublic teat, here I come!
OR: the Sullivan Law, against carrying firearms, was enacted in the early '20s, I believe, as part of an effort to curb gangsterism.
ReplyDeleteWhen Hugo Chavez recently said these are not the times for the Jacuzzi, he was so right! I'm sure you probably discussed Chavez' limiting his people to short cold showers and outlawing singing in the shower.
ReplyDeleteExpect the US Federal Communications Commissioner Mark Lloyd to follow Chavez' lead and forbid you to sing in your own home during these leftist days.
um, you and rawmuse are musicians? I'm clueless here. Now I can believe you are a magician with all you have done at this site.
ReplyDeleteACTUALLY, Pi Guy is a magician! (I'm not sure how serious he is about it, but I understand he's very good.)
I am an R&B vocalist in real life, yes. The graphic art thing is just something I hack away at, but Bare and I have a web design business on the side and that's my role in it. He is, on the other hand, a real software engineer (he's done work for NASA, and has worked for some very prestigious software/technology companies...a couple of which you may even have heard of and could guess, if you know that we both live in the Seattle area).
buzzsawmonkey said...
ReplyDeleteI used to think I was a jack-of-all-trades, but I think really I'm just a jack-off.
Hey, it was a brilliant jack-off engineer who invented the Wanker Engine.
What's that? "Wankel"?
Never mind.
Alegrias,
ReplyDeleteC'mon, everyone here is special! Refuseniks & rebels, full of passion for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
It's great to be in your company during these times that try mens' souls.
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The pursuit of happiness is eluding me all that often in real life.
But, you are right here on C² the pursuit of happiness really is working. It is a blizz, being here together with you people makes me really Happy!
Senator Kerry: General McChrystal's troop request is too much, too fast
ReplyDeleteGen. Stanley McChrystal's request for a troop surge in Afghanistan goes too far, Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) said on Monday.
"I am convinced from my conversations with Gen. Stanley McChrystal that he understands the necessity of conducting a smart counterinsurgency in a limited geographic area," Kerry said in a speech at the Council on Foreign Relations. "But I believe his current plan reaches too far, too fast."
/hey John, Mr. Ed called, he wants his face back
I have thought about running for Congress. I figure 2012, if I can get things in order by then.
ReplyDeletePublic teat, here I come!
Excellent! I hope there's plenty of milk in that teat, because I'm starting to get the impression they want us all on it, in varying degrees. : )
OR: I understand that the guy who invented the Wanker Engine was also a Rotarian.
ReplyDeletebuzzsawmonkey said...
ReplyDeleteI have thought about running for Congress.
Oh, hell yeah, me too. I just have to figure out the right district for me.
So... where do you think a conservative Democrat 2nd Amendment-supporting judeochristophilic atheist is most likely the get elected?
/someone shut up those damn crickets
discussed Chavez' limiting his people to short cold showers and outlawing singing in the shower.
ReplyDeleteAlegrias, just to fight back against this sort of totalitarianism, I may just have to fly down to Caracas and take lots of long, hot showers with Venezuelan women.
/I'm sure the wife will understand... "it's for a PRINCIPLE, honey!"
So... where do you think a conservative Democrat 2nd Amendment-supporting judeochristophilic atheist is most likely the get elected?
ReplyDeleteHere. People only look for the (D)!
OR - ♪♫ CRICKETS ♫♪
ReplyDeleteKillian Bundy,
ReplyDeleteSen. Orrin Hatch and others have suggested another reason President Obama is delaying his "decision" on Afghanistan is to wait until after the Virginia and New Jersey elections on Nov. 3rd. Obama may not want to piss off his leftist voters by taking McCrystal's advice until AFTER the election.
What a scumbag these people are. Today 14 US troops died, and Pres. Obama stood in front of troops telling them being their Commander in Chief is his highest honor.
Yeah, that's why Pres. Obama spent minutes with McChrystal but half the day with Rachel Maddow & the ranting leftist sportscaster who hated Pres. Bush & FOX news, Keith Olbermann.
From the "Wow, really?" file:
ReplyDeleteAllahPundit: Gallup: More Americans identify as conservative than any other label
President Obama has an Afassedghanistan Policy.
ReplyDeleteWow. That deserves a repost:
ReplyDeleteCorre∫pondence Committee said...
ACTUALLY, Pi Guy is a magician! (I'm not sure how serious he is about it, but I understand he's very good.)
I am an R&B vocalist in real life, yes. The graphic art thing is just something I hack away at, but Bare and I have a web design business on the side and that's my role in it. He is, on the other hand, a real software engineer (he's done work for NASA, and has worked for some very prestigious software/technology companies...a couple of which you may even have heard of and could guess, if you know that we both live in the Seattle area).
OR,
ReplyDeleteYes it is understood not all pigs are equal, and Chavez himself hogs the hot tub with Venezuelan hotties & sings for hours a day on his radio program, Hello, Presidente Chavez!
Remember he got hoarse? All the horsing around.
You go for it, amigo! If you can't poison Chavez' cigar, be sure to drop a live microphone into the hot tub after you get out.
Viva la electrocucion!
Hi guys! Just quickly popping in a few minutes. What's going on in the real world?
ReplyDeletebuzzsawmonkey said...
ReplyDeleteOR: the Sullivan Law, against carrying firearms, was enacted in the early '20s, I believe, as part of an effort to curb gangsterism.
If only they had thought to re-brand themselves as "community organizers", think of how 20th Century American history could have been different.
CC: It ain't R&B, but if you're a vocalist I'd like to suggest you hunt up some stuff by Lee Wiley and listen to it.
ReplyDeleteI was listening to her last night--after a few months away from her stuff--and oh, what a beautiful thing to audit. Smooth and syrupy, great jazz rhythm, and a feeling that she is smiling and enjoying herself through every vocal.
Hey, O/R, you can't do worse than this (HotAir's title...that's got to be AllahPundit talking):
ReplyDeleteCongress’s lone atheist a major, major jackass
It's Pete Stark. Ugh. He is a jackass - I didn't realize he was the only atheist in Congress though. That surprises me.
I will definitely check it out, buzz - thank you!
ReplyDeleteHi ArmyWife. The usual world is happening.
ReplyDeleteDid anyone see John "I was in Vietnam" Kerry on CNN today? Was a captive in the dr's office today. He was talking about Afghanistan and how the last 8 years there have been completely mismanaged. I know he meant blaming Bush, but I wanted to scream at the TV The One owns a year of that "mess" and what has he done to fix it?
ReplyDeleteHi Gak!
ReplyDeleteCC: Get her stuff doing standards from the '30s/'40s. I don't remember the name of the CD, but it's a double disk that is worth whatever they want for it.
ReplyDeleteIt's got stuff like "Baby's Awake Now," "Find Me a Primitive Man," "Sweet and Low Down," "Like a Ship Without a Sail," etc.
It is utterly wonderful.
Another recommendation, if I may--anything by Mildred Bailey from the 1930s; she is incredible.
"Pete" Fortney H. Stark of California's 13th congressional district, cursed at President Bush during a State of the Union or other big speech. Naturlich, cursing at President Bush went without reprimand or sanction.
ReplyDeleteFremont, California, I expect better of you! Why keep creepy Stark nearly 40 years?
Surely there are younger people willing to serve their country in Congress from Fremont, California.
ArmyWife - why the dr's office today?
ReplyDeleteHey, O/R, you can't do worse than this
ReplyDeleteI could always try!
I just listened to a couple of snips on Amazon, buzz. I love listening to old jazz (I especially love old Django Reinhardt records, for example...one of my brothers is named after him, in fact). I'll enjoy it! Thanks again.
ReplyDeleteYes, Army wife,
ReplyDeleteJohn Kerry was once again as he has done his entire life fragging the commanding officer, General McChrystal, whom President Obama HANDPICKED to deal with AFghanistan.
He was talking about Afghanistan and how the last 8 years there have been completely mismanaged.
ReplyDeleteNow, that's odd. Even NPR this morning was referring to one particular province of Afghanistan that was quite safe a year ago, and is a hotbed of Taliban violence now.
Bush's fault!
My daughter will be thrilled I am sharing this, but since her surgery on Friday she has been unable to go potty, so we needed to go back to the dr's to make sure all is well. Left with milk of magnesia - she can't eat high fiber veggies yet, so that is compounding the issue.
ReplyDeleteI could always try!
ReplyDeleteYou could, but you'd have your work cut out for you. He's even worse than our Jim McDermott.
How good are you at being incredibly obnoxious? Let's have a sample. ; )
Another recommendation, if I may--anything by Mildred Bailey from the 1930s; she is incredible.
ReplyDeleteWonderful - thank you!
Also infuriating is that John Fraggin Kerry while undercutting President Obama's handpicked General, no doubt is making nice with the usual suspects, Bashir Al Assad of Syria who kills Americans yet is a must-see Kerry/Pelosi diplomatic stop in Damascus, and any other American killers, such as Ahmedinejad, Hamas, or others with bloody hands.
ReplyDeleteChavez has nowhere to go but to outright voter fraud and violence. He has culled his military of all independence. The junior officers WILL carry out shoot to kill orders.
ReplyDeleteThe most populated (and formerly prosperous) regions of the country are under opposition governors but face systematic descrimination and denial of just revenues.
PDVSA has become a black op business unable or unwilling to publish any real financial information.
The whole vibe is very dark.
Alegrias - Kerry is a schmuck.
ReplyDelete{ArmyWife} and {daughter}.
ReplyDeleteLee Wiley did, indeed, have a brilliant career. It was a real loss when she was killed in that tragic rocket-powered roller skate mishap.
ReplyDelete/oh, wait... different Wiley
ArmyWife,
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of Kerry Schmuck, before you got here, Charles Krauthammer on Fox News pointed out Kerry's Heinz Ketchup corporation made twice as much profit as the "evil" health insurance companies Kerry denounced recently for indecent profits!
What say we tax Heinz Ketchup for being a sugary fruit juice full of fructose?
Thanks, Gak. She is getting better, this is normal after surgery, but when you are 18, its not a conversation you really want to have with a stranger!
ReplyDeleteCC: One of Mildred Bailey's that I have on 78, which is fun, is "The Weekend of a Private Secretary":
ReplyDeleteI went to Havana
On one of those cruises
For forty-nine fifty
To spend a few days
I went to Havana
To look at the natives
To study their customs
Their picturesque ways
In searching for some local color
I ran across a Cuban gent
And he was such a big sensation
I forgot the population
He showed me the city
He taught me the customs
My trip to Havana
Was quite a success
(Musical interlude)
We had Bacardi
I forgot the clock
So we were tardy
Returning to the dock
Though I delayed it
Even dropped my shawl
The Cuban made it
As they gave the final call
Darn it all!
I'm back in the office
I'm punching the time-clock
But you can bet my mind
Is not on my work
Instead of Bacardi
I'm ordering Bromo
Instead of the Cuban
I'm stuck with a clerk
The other girls may go to Europe
And marry into royalty
And they can get an earl or marquis
Or a Russian, or a darkie
But when I get married
And settle in Brooklyn
He may be a slicker, he may be hick
Or a reuben
But you can bet that he'll be Cuban...
Lee Wiley did, indeed, have a brilliant career. It was a real loss when she was killed in that tragic rocket-powered roller skate mishap.
ReplyDelete/oh, wait... different Wiley
SWAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTT!!!!!
Oh but that is his WIFE'S evil profiteering. He, on the other hand, has never made a profit in business making him pure as the driven snow. His money is from marrying well - twice. How he pulled that one off is beyond me!
ReplyDeleteAll the best to your daughter, {ArmyWife}.
ReplyDeleteAnd we are not strangers ;-)
On the local political scene, the City Supes today declared that illegal aliens caught driving without a license will not have their cars towed, at least not the first time.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/10/26/BA381A9A9N.DTL
Ha! I was just listening to a sample of "When That Man Is Dead and Gone", buzz - she sounds fun!
ReplyDelete(You have her on 78? How cool!)
You are right,Call! The doctor was the stranger in that case. She still wouldn't be happy I'm sharing with my friends, but who else can I talk to about potty issues? ;)
ReplyDeleteAlright, guys. I'm going to go clean the kitchen. I'll try to pop back in later!
ReplyDeleteCC: I have a piker collection of about 400-500 78s. I have a friend who has closer to 10,000.
ReplyDeleteCallahan23 said...
ReplyDeleteAll the best to your daughter, {ArmyWife}.
And we are not strangers ;-)
You are correct and a dear, Callahan. Let me buy you a drink in the Pub.
ArmyWife, us!
ReplyDeleteYou go ahead, you're way cool!
Oh my goodness! That is awesome, buzz! My folks had some, but I don't know what happened to them when their estate was sold off (long story there) - that's very cool. Were they your parents' records? Grandparents'? (I haven't a clue how old you are.)
ReplyDeleteHalloween pub open upstairs, everyone.
Try and find Bailey with her Oxford Greys singing "You Don't Know My Mind." It's fantastic. "Lover, Come Back to Me" (the flip) is also great.
ReplyDeleteShe also does "Doin' the Uptown Lowdown" very well.
Ah, hell--she does everything well. She, Lee Wiley, and the Boswell Sisters are probably the best white women jazz singers ever.
Oops is it that late? I am goin' upstairs --->
ReplyDeleteI have a piker collection of about 400-500 78s
ReplyDeletebuzz, what do you play those on?
/guy thing audio equipment geekitude
OR: I have an old KLH machine that'll play damn near anything except a CD. KLH made beautiful machines.
ReplyDeleteYou know, it just occurred to me that maybe you collected several hundred old records just because you liked them, not because you inherited them. : )
ReplyDeleteI'll go take a listen to the Boswell Sisters! (My mom was a jazz singer - she could really swing - I think you would have loved her voice and style.)
'Course, I also have a portable windup, but it tears hell out of the records.
ReplyDeleteHey Buzz.... Thanks for bringing back some long lost memories. I remember staying over at my grandparents house and my grandfather winding up the Victrola and playing his favorite 78's for me so I could drift off to sleep. God rest his soul.
ReplyDeleteThe Boswell Sisters are amazing. And--PC alert--Connee was crippled, so they never did any fancy dancing.
ReplyDeleteThe Andrews Sisters are as nothing compared to the Boswells.
I love windups. I used to have a couple of floor models--a Victor upright and one console model. Had to ditch 'em in the course of several moves, but there is something about a windup that just gets to you.
ReplyDeleteBack in college, I was playing the original recording of "Rhapsody in Blue" on the windup in the dorm--1924, Whiteman's orchestra, Gershwin at the piano--and some guy comes in from down the hall to tell me how much he liked the "parody" of Rhapsody in Blue I was playing.
Oh, man...
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