Obama’s FCC, liberal churches, and the “media justice” mob
The motto of the “So We Might See” anti-”hate speech” campaign is: “Without media justice, there will be no social justice!” The same Marx-loving “social justice” crowd is behind the “media justice” mob — including George Soros’s Open Society Institute, Media Democracy Fund, and Media Matters; the Ford Foundation; the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation; etc., etc., etc. Their goal: government redistribution of media wealth. As “The Media Justice Fund” put it: The movement “is grounded in the belief that social and economic justice will not be realized without the equitable redistribution and control of media and communication technologies.” And there’s that phrase “transformative change” again...
Free speech is under attack. Read the rest.
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ReplyDeleteMore redistribution.
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ReplyDeleteTwo men were shot in the legs at a North Hollywood synagogue on Thursday, according to Los Angeles police. The shooting was being investigated as a hate crime.
ReplyDeleteLA police officer Rosario Herrera said a man with a handgun entered the Adat Yeshurun Valley Sephardic synagogue at about 6:20 a.m. and shot two people. The LA Times quoted police sources as saying that the two casualties were in their thirties, and that both were in stable condition.
The victims were evacuated to a nearby hospital and police were searching for the gunman.
The LA Times sources were further quoted as saying that the men were attacked as they were entering the synagogue for morning prayers.
The synagogue's rabbi said the attack came as people were leaving the building.
"People were leaving the synagogue after Shaharit [the morning service]… a man who was standing outside, hiding so that he won't be seen, started shooting, hit two people and then ran away," Rabbi Yossi Malka, the synagogue's rabbi told Army Radio after the incident.
Speaking in Hebrew, Malka told the station that "police said this was a hate crime… that it was done because this was a Jewish synagogue [sic]."
Police reportedly alerted other synagogues in the LA area of the shooting, and stepped up patrols around Jewish religious institutions.
Channel 10 reported that one arrest had been made in connection with the attack, though the LA Times said police did not think the detainee was the gunman.
It was not clear how many people were in the building at the time of the shooting.
A call to the synagogue was not immediately returned.
The attack occurred 10 miles (16 kilometers) from a 1999 shooting at a Jewish community center.
the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
ReplyDeleteYou said "wood". And "johnson". Huh huh huh, huh huh...
Anyway.
I doubt this movement will really gain any traction, but it's disturbing to see how cheerfully "progressives" throw their putative free expression ideals under the bus when it's not in their ideological interest to do so.
Thanks for this column. My church is conservative, my denomination is more moderate, and the "social justice"-types are, of course, rabidly statist. I'll keep an eye out.
ReplyDeletewithout the equitable redistribution and control of media and communication technologies
ReplyDeleteNow, that's odd. We live in an age of absolutely UNPRECEDENTED "redistribution" of "media and communcation technologies"; one in which the average Joe or Judy can, in his/her pajamas, publish instantaneously at a global level.
But suddenly, this is a huge problem for the "progressives".
Gee, I wonder why?
OR - Answer to your question on the prior thread. That is probably normal. The 8 rd mags are probably pushing the limit of follower spring travel in the mag length that was for a 7 rd mag.
ReplyDeleteAlso, GI M1911A1's are said to sometimes have a failure-to-feed if a full (7 rd) mag is inserted with the slide closed if there is already a round in the chamber. Failure occurs when the chambered round is fired. At least we were told not to try to carry 8 rounds in an M1911A1 this way in VN.
I wish we would get warnings about new threads. :p
ReplyDeleteFrom last thread, because I think this needs to be stomped hard:
ReplyDeleteBTW, over at Babba's they were mentioning a new face cream which is made of recycled aborted fetal tissue.
I'd check that on Snopes, because I read exactly that charge about collegen from Oral Roberts, back in the 80's.
Son of the Black Dog, thanks for your VN service. My Father in Law was a door-gunner for two tours in '66 and '67.
ReplyDeleteDiana, I'll try truthorfiction.com also since I don't always trust Snopes.
ReplyDeleteOccasional Reader said...
ReplyDeleteWe live in an age of absolutely UNPRECEDENTED "redistribution" of "media and communcation technologies"
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Very well said. Maybe our progressives are blinded by the obvious.
Thanks, SOBD.
ReplyDeleteMaybe our progressives are blinded by the obvious.
ReplyDeleteOr maybe when they mean "redistributed" in this case, they mean "concentrated... but in the CORRECT hands".
Spenser, I agree.
ReplyDeleteSo far, I've found ZERO confirmation, and three debunkings: Snopes, Yahoo Answers, and truthorfiction.
Spenser - you're welcome (but LBJ didn't really give me a choice)
ReplyDeleteDianna, have you noticed the M1911 issue I mention at the end of the previous thread?
ReplyDeleteBack on topic (sort of). I suspect that the next salvo in the war on freedom of speech will be a push by the left wing pressure organizations to oppose the re-licensing of the Fox (regular network) TV station broadcast licenses. The purpose obviously being to force Fox News to pull people like Beck and Hannity and to quit covering topics critical of the current administration in its regular news programming.
ReplyDelete"...social and economic justice will not be realized without the equitable redistribution and control of media and communication technologies.”
ReplyDeleteI have a suggestion for the name of the new peoples media corporation: Pravda.
I do have to say: I want to fact-check the Malkin article before getting too worked up about it. Ms. Malkin can be a little... excitable, at times.
ReplyDeleteOR, we don't need no stinkin' fact check! We turn off our brains, get our hysterical marching orders from Rush and Michelle and run with it in the face of all scientific facts.
ReplyDeleteHaven't you heard?
Kenneth said...
ReplyDeleteI have a suggestion for the name of the new peoples media corporation: Pravda.
Isn't that what the devil wears?//
Dianna, Spenser,
ReplyDeleteI haven't read Babbazee's report yet, but I have read before about cosmetics products from China containing such ingredients. Also, China leads the world in stem cell research because they have access to huge quantities of aborted fetal stem cells. And, it is common practice for Chinese authorities to remove the organs of executed prisoners for use in transplants.
It's not such a stretch.
Hey Y'all! Just a drive by to again ask any of you who see Jorline anywhere to please ask him to e-mail me, as I've somehow got a wrong e-mail addy for him!
ReplyDeleteAnd as a reward, here's something of interest regarding polls and the accuracy thereof during the 2008 Presidential elections:
http://www.fordham.edu/images/academics/graduate_schools/gsas/elections_and_campaign_/poll%20accuracy%20in%20the%202008%20presidential%20election.pdf
Thanks again, and I hope to get the chance to see y'all down the road!
Lunch!
ReplyDeleteDianna, have you noticed the M1911 issue I mention at the end of the previous thread?
ReplyDeleteYes - the magazine is too full that way.
real. It's been done.
ReplyDeleteKenneth said...
ReplyDeleteDianna, Spenser,
I haven't read Babbazee's report yet, but I have read before about cosmetics products from China containing such ingredients. Also, China leads the world in stem cell research because they have access to huge quantities of aborted fetal stem cells. And, it is common practice for Chinese authorities to remove the organs of executed prisoners for use in transplants.
It's not such a stretch.
If such products exist, they cannot be sold in either this country or Europe. And I doubt that even Asia would fail to flinch from that.
Gateway Pundit has the fetal face cream report. It looks legit to me.
ReplyDeletehttp://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/10/company-uses-aborted-fetal-tissue-in-anti-aging-cream/
But if that's a little to extreme for your tastes, why not try the foreskin face cream?
http://thetyee.ca/Views/2007/01/30/Foreskin/
It is sold here and in Europe:
ReplyDelete"Neocutis’ key ingredient known as “Processed Skin Proteins” was developed at the University of Luasanne from the skin tissue of a 14-week gestation electively-aborted male baby donated by the University Hospital in Switzerland. Subsequently, a working cell bank was established, containing several billion cultured skin cells to produce the human growth factor needed to restore aging skin. The list of products using the cell line include: Bio-Gel, Journee, Bio-Serum, Prevedem, Bio Restorative Skin Cream and Lumiere."
Here's the company's website: http://www.neocutis.com/categories.php?catid=11
Dianna,
ReplyDeleteAsia fail to flinch? Are we talking about the same China where the murderer of 50 million people is still regarded as a national hero?
Or the same Europe that gave us the holocaust?
Yes - the magazine is too full that way.
ReplyDeleteDianna, it took me two paragraphs to say that. You must be an editor. :)
Kenneth and Diana, I did go to their site without following the link and, while it is technically false that they buy aborted fetuses and use them in their creams now, they did use a donated, aborted fetus to use for testing and development of their 'cultured' skin proteins in a petrie dish. This makes my skin crawl to type all of this, but I want to be accurate.
ReplyDeleteI find this report unbelievable. Really, I do.
ReplyDeleteWhat FDA equivalent is going to release something with human tissue in it? That's asking for trouble, and not just politically.
Spenser - Kenneth and Diana, I did go to their site without following the link and, while it is technically false that they buy aborted fetuses and use them in their creams now, they did use a donated, aborted fetus to use for testing and development of their 'cultured' skin proteins in a petrie dish. This makes my skin crawl to type all of this, but I want to be accurate.
ReplyDelete'Cultured' skin proteins - however distasteful the testing medium, and disregarding the fact that I wouldn't use the product - is not the same as "made from aborted fetuses." Indeed.
You may not approve of any of it; but let's not be hysterical.
So what the company did was take the cells of an "a 14-week gestation electively-aborted male baby", let's call him "Jurgen", culture the cells in a nutrient medium, and extract the valuable & cosmetically useful biochemicals produced by the cells.
ReplyDeleteIf you think about it, little Jurgen, where he exists in a collection of dishes of cultured human cells in the Neocutis labs, is now contributing far more to society, or at least to the share holders of Neocutis, than he ever would have if he had been born alive. Way to go Jurgen! Not that it was your choice.
Diana, I agree and that's what I meant to say.
ReplyDeleteKenneth -
ReplyDeleteI understand your revulsion, but this is so far from the original claim as to barely resemble it.
Kenneth - remember, you can self delete a comment.
ReplyDeleteKenneth, that should be the story, the disturbing testing and development angle, not making it sound like they buy fetuses off the market and squeeze them into tubes. If one piece of the story is found to be not as advertised, all credibility is lost.
ReplyDeleteDianna Spenser,
ReplyDeleteRead the informati1on again to understand what the company is doing.
1. They took an aborted fetus.
2. Extracted skin cells from the fetus.
3. Cultured the skin cells and reproduced them until they had a stock of billions of human skin cells.
4. From those skin cells, a biochemical is extracted.
5. That biochemical is then used as an ingredient in the cosmetics.
So while it is inaccurate to say aborted fetuses are an ingredient in the products, it is correct to say an aborted fetus was used to produce living human cells which continue to be used as the bio-industrial source of the biochemical ingredient of their product.
Eventually, that batch of human skin cells will die. To replace them, Neocutis will require another fetus. And so it goes.
Good clarification of the story.
ReplyDeleteBREAKING: There's been a shooting at a synagogue about a mile from my home.
ReplyDeleteHelicopters are buzzing all around the neighborhood.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/10/synagogue-shooting-1.html
Ringo - it hasn't hit the news yet.
ReplyDeleteKenneth, our family works with Pregnancy Resource Centers monthly and this is close to my heart. All I'm saying is this needs to be defined accurately so we don't lose credibility (which has happened before). What you said; "it is correct to say an aborted fetus was used to produce living human cells which continue to be used as the bio-industrial source of the biochemical ingredient of their product." is completely accurate and disturbing enough without passing along any false info, don't you agree?
ReplyDeleteRingo is this a new shooting or the same shooting from earlier?
ReplyDeleteSpenser,
ReplyDeleteYou misunderstand the point of the story. The company did not use the cells for "testing and development" but for the ongoing production of the biochemical.
"“Processed Skin Proteins” was developed at the University of Luasanne from the skin tissue of a 14-week gestation electively-aborted male baby donated by the University Hospital in Switzerland. Subsequently, a working cell bank was established, containing several billion cultured skin cells to produce the human growth factor needed to restore aging skin"
The cells cultured from that fetus are still alive and at work producing a commercially valuable product for Neocutis.
midwestgak: with respect, I see no need for me to delete anything I wrote.
midwestgak,
ReplyDeleteI heard a lot of helicopters circling around above my house and so I turned on the local news to find out what's going on.
...Got my dog in the front yard and the doors locked.
Ringo -- I heard this on the news. Described as "possibly" a "hate crime." Well, duh -- and here we go with the abuse of language again, to the end of crippling one's ability to think, which is not unrelated to this post by CC.
ReplyDeleteHave they caught the shooter? Is it Amish?
PaladinPhil,
ReplyDeleteI guess it's the same one. I only just turned on the news.
Ringo - let us know what you find out.
ReplyDeleteSpensor,
ReplyDeleteNothing I wrote on this story was inaccurate.
Something you wrote was incorrect (that the cells were used only for testing and development). Saying the products contain aborted fetuses is also inaccurate.
Ringo, just read your link. It is the same incident from earlier. It just has more information now. I think the mayor needs to remove his head from his anal cavity. Not a hate crime?
ReplyDeleteKenneth, "Nothing I wrote on this story was inaccurate"
ReplyDeleteI didn't mean your writing, I was talking about InstaPundit's headlines.
What I find disturbing about the story, in addition to the creep factor are the moral issues raised. This is a slippery slope technology. What's next, cultured human blood cells for transfusions? And then on to cultured human organs for transplants? And then eventually do we move onto cultured whole humans for industrial purposes? But then we already did that. It was called slavery.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, Neocutis is practicing the slavery of human cells. That aborted fetus did not ask to exist as a vat of industrial bio-equipment. I think, if given the choice himself, little Jurgen might have chosen a very different path for his life. Now his life is controlled by the scientists and technicians at Neocutis. His purpose is to produce human growth factor. His reward for that service is a fresh nutrient bath and a temperature controlled environment. How pleasant.
And profitable!
Spenser,
ReplyDeletePerhaps I mixed your comments in with others who suggested I was being hysterical and that I should self-delete.
These products are indeed for sale in the US:
NEOCUTIS Bio-restorative Skin Cream,
JOURNÉE Bio-restorative Day Cream,
LUMIÈRE Bio-restorative Eye Cream and
BIO-GEL Bio-restorative Hydrogel are the only products to contain PSP®.
I am embarrassed by how liberal the churches born of the Campbell Stone movement have become. I am a lifelong Disciple of Christ but at least in our denomination, churches are autonomous and don't have to adhere to what the national assembly says. My church is quite conservative in many ways. The United Church of Christ has gone way out there.
ReplyDeleteOn topic, the Democrats know pushing unpopular programs like nationalized health care will cost them in the next election-
ReplyDeleteUNLESS they control the press like in the presidential election.
The press will make Republicans look like crazy religious fanatics, so that the Democrats will win.
We really need competing viewpoints in the press, not the Hallejeujah choir the Democrats have now.
The closest to that is Fox, so the Dems want it leashed.
There's no such things as a "too full" magazine, dammit!
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That aborted fetus did not ask to exist as a vat of industrial bio-equipment. I think, if given the choice himself, little Jurgen might have chosen a very different path for his life. Now his life is controlled by the scientists
ReplyDeleteI don't think that under that scenario, "little Jurgen" is still alive, such that his "life" is controlled by anyone.
@OR: "Now, that's odd. We live in an age of absolutely UNPRECEDENTED "redistribution" of "media and communcation technologies"; one in which the average Joe or Judy can, in his/her pajamas, publish instantaneously at a global level.
ReplyDeleteBut suddenly, this is a huge problem for the "progressives".
Gee, I wonder why?"
EXACTLY. It's suddenly no longer a good thing when the benighted sheeple start thinking for themselves, rather than being meek clients of the "enlightened elite" ;-)
Fergen it OR, just keep a round in your pocket and use as needed.
ReplyDelete/
And it seems odd that Mr Browning's otherwise genius design doesn't let you "top up". I'd have thought someone would have come up with a fix for that by now.
ReplyDeleteenuff said...
ReplyDeleteFergen it OR, just keep a round in your pocket and use as needed.
I already do. His name is "Mr. Shooty".
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God created man.
ReplyDeleteMr. Colt made them equal.
/Oldy but goodie
Sorry, I was busy rubbing dead baby skin on my face. Did I miss anything?
ReplyDeleteWow. RB comes in quietly as always.
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You mean that for all these years, "Johnson's Baby Powder" WASN'T made from real babies?!
ReplyDeleteWow. RB comes in quietly as always.
ReplyDeleteIt puts the baby on it's skin, or it gets the hose again.
You mean that for all these years, "Johnson's Baby Powder" WASN'T made from real babies?!
ReplyDeleteSame with Baby Oil... Sigh.
RB comes in quietly as always.
ReplyDeleteOn little cat feet, as it were.
Mr. Browning's simple but elegant design has hardly been improved upon in almost 100 years.
ReplyDeleteit's disturbing to see how cheerfully "progressives" throw their putative free expression ideals under the bus when it's not in their ideological interest to do so.
ReplyDeleteThere's nothing new about their "free speech for me but not for thee" philosophy.
Running Bare,
ReplyDeleteSame with Baby Oil... Sigh.
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Isn't that Baby Seal Oil?
RB comes in quietly as always.
ReplyDeleteOn little cat feet, as it were.
I haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about.
The Somali jihadist creeps in
ReplyDeleteon little qat feet.
My God... you mean they're training baby Seals now?! Toddlers in BUDS?!
ReplyDeleteRB comes in quietly as always.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of that... next spring, when my employer cooperates with the local police agencies for some SWAT training drills, I just got asked yesterday if I wanted to be "The Perp"... This is gonna be so freakin awesomely cool. I get a paintball gun, and hostages and everything...
Forst chance I get, I'm killing the hostages and going mobile... heh.
Hiya {Callahan}.
ReplyDeleteThis thread is getting slippery./
My God... you mean they're training baby Seals now?! Toddlers in BUDS?!
ReplyDeleteAll members of Future Tunnel Rats of America in their kindergarten class.
On little cat feet, as it were.
ReplyDeleteSure if he prowls the serengeti....
Son of the Black Dog said...
ReplyDeleteMr. Browning's simple but elegant design has hardly been improved upon in almost 100 years.
I dunno... something seems wrong with mine. It keeps throwing hot shell casings in my face, when I hold it sideways while shooting, like you're supposed to.
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That sounds great, Taser Bait... er, I mean, Running Bare...
ReplyDeleteOR,
ReplyDeleteLive cells were taken from an aborted live fetus. The live cells were cultured and reproduced to build a stock of billions of living human skin cells. Those skin cells are alive today and are used to produce human growth factor which is extracted and used in the products.
At what point can you say those live human cells are not "Jurgen"?
{gak} m' darlin'!
ReplyDeleteLet's see how steep we are getting. Down hill. ;-)
On that note there hasn't been any snow in the Alps so far. Gorebullwarming!
Why can't some people just age gracefully?
ReplyDeleteI dunno... something seems wrong with mine. It keeps throwing hot shell casings in my face, when I hold it sideways while shooting, like you're supposed to.
ReplyDeleteAh. I see your issue, my friend. What you need to do is actually use a "shell collection device" so that your brass doesn't go flying everytwhere, potentially leaving valuable evidence behi... err I mean losing expensive brass that you could be using with you reloading table later...
Or, you could just invest in some Home Boy Nyte Sytez
Kenneth, the cultured cells are alive, the fetus' soul is in heaven and was since the abortion.
ReplyDeleteCallahan - how much snow is there by this time of the year, usually?
ReplyDeleteAt what point can you say those live human cells are not "Jurgen"?
ReplyDeleteUm... because I think it takes more than skin cells to make up a human being?
Look, I also find this distasteful, primarily because it appears to create economic incentives for fetuses to be, shall we say, created... then aborted, and stripped for parts.
But it seems a *bit* of a stretch to claim that an aborted - that is, dead - fetus, continues to be a living *human being* who is somehow "enslaved".
I guess the answer is, the cells ceased being a human being when they became the property of Neocutis Corporation.
ReplyDelete...but the cells are still alive
via email from Newsmax:
ReplyDeleteYou probably heard that, as a result of the overwhelming scandals that the radical left-wing group "ACORN" is involved in, and after a HUGE public outcry, Congress recently voted to de-fundthem.
WE WERE LIED TO! Congress only voted to de-fund ACORN for ONE MONTH -- which means we have to fight hard AGAIN to FORCE them to defund this far-left group... PERMANENTLY!
Is that right?
Spenser,
ReplyDeletethe fetus' soul is in heaven
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Seconded.
Hate to derail the gun, fetus, ACORN thread, but has anyone heard of what happened behind the scenes with that overflight mishap last week? One would think that FAA/Homeland Security/etc. would have been shitting bricks if a plane overshot its target and did not respond for an hour and a half.
ReplyDeleteAlthough, anyone else getting a slight chuckle out of the name "Jurgen"? Anybody? Beuller? Beuller? Anyone?
ReplyDeleteOk, I guess it's just me.
One would think that FAA/Homeland Security/etc. would have been shitting bricks if a plane overshot its target and did not respond for an hour and a half.
ReplyDeleteWell, see, that's just more of that macho warmongering paranoid evil post-911 thinking, you knuckle-dragging neanderthal.
Obama was elected, and that means the world, and terrorists, love us again, so it's not like we're gonna get attacked or anything.
OofS: Yeah I heard that apparently they were supposed to notify somebody higher up when they couldn't get in contact. Welcome to 9/10/2001.
ReplyDeleteRB: I refused to comment on that and the similarity to a soap bar product up here....
OoS - maybe they did, but didn't want to make it public.
ReplyDeletemidwestgak, I was just exaggerating a line of thought a person I met in a copy-shop made.
ReplyDeleteThere is little to no snow in the valleys and the snow conditions are perfectly average if not a little coldish for this time of year.
It took me half a minute to find that out. That guy however ranted away and is probably still occupied with it, poor bastard.
;-)
Good afternoon, guys!
ReplyDeleteIs Ringo still around? It doesn't sound like they caught the shooter yet (Origin's article upstairs) - yikes.
Although, anyone else getting a slight chuckle out of the name "Jurgen"?
ReplyDeleteI actually know someone named "Nivea", believe it or not.
Don't say "Oos" outside of the Dojo!!
ReplyDeleteNeed some food intake. Dinner is ready. BBIAW
ReplyDeleteHey, Jew-nami. Hi. : )
ReplyDeleteLittle Jurgen, all growed up.
ReplyDeleteHate to derail the gun, fetus, ACORN thread
ReplyDeleteSend fetuses, guns and ACORNs
Dad, get me outta this
New thread about Gore Vidal's weird, cringe-worthy remarks about Roman Polanski.
ReplyDeleteMan, he is icky.
OR,
ReplyDeleteI did not say the cells were a full and complete human being.
The corporation took the parts the needed and disposed of the rest. Which is kind of like what plantation owners did with slaves: they kept the parts they wanted such as brawn, and disposed of the useless parts such as intelligence and free will.
But these are still living human skin cells. The human these cells came from was never asked if he wanted to exist in this manner. His body is being used against his will for a purpose not of his own choosing. I cannot see how that is not a new form of slavery.
The courts ruled that unborn humans are not legal persons, which is the basis of legalized abortion. Similarly, the courts once ruled that slaves were not legal persons, had no rights and were the property of their owners.
I'm seeing a lot of common ground here in both these issues.
Running Bare,
ReplyDeleteI'm glad somebody got my mordant sense of humor. That why I picked the name for my argument.
Got home through a torrential rain. If you've always lived in wet climates, you regard rain as a nuisance. But to anyone who's ever lived in a semi-arid climate with chronic water household problems, rain becomes something you literally pray for. A blessing.
ReplyDeleteIron Maiden: Rainmaker
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ReplyDeleteThat's a cool thing.
ReplyDeleteWith that flight time, the NWA plane probably could have taken out the Sears Tower. I heard that nobody bothered to call NORAD (or couldn't call them). I also heard that there were F-16's ready to go, but were stood down once the plane made contact with ATC.
ReplyDeleteSure, fine. Dont' say hi, CC. I get it.
ReplyDelete/Chopped Liver
I cannot see how that is not a new form of slavery.
ReplyDeleteKenneth, come on.
The central fact about "slavery" is that a sentient human being is being exploited against his will. His "intelligence" is not "discarded", it's right there, feeling the chain on his ankle and the lash on his back. Whatever might be the moral case against using the skin cells like this, it isn't "slavery", unless the word is, quite frankly, debased beyond recognition.
I'm glad somebody got my mordant sense of humor. That why I picked the name for my argument.
ReplyDeleteWell ther was that, plus when I was growing up, people always called it "Jerkin's lotion", but I never understood why.
Well ther was that, plus when I was growing up, people always called it "Jerkin's lotion", but I never understood why.
ReplyDeleteWhich brings us back to my acquaintance "Nivea", who is an attractive young Brazilian woman...
(not kidding)
Heading upstairs.
ReplyDeleteOR,
ReplyDeleteMaybe you have a point, as the sentient part of Jurgen, the small but growing brain, was disposed of when the useful skin cells were collected.
So it isn't slavery if you lobotomize the human first. Got it.
OR,
ReplyDeleteThe moral objection to slavery was not that the slaves were sentient, but that they were human beings with a right to freedom.
So it isn't slavery if you lobotomize the human first. Got it.
ReplyDeleteIf you KILL a human first, what is done with the human remains afterwards isn't "slavery". Correct.
If organ black marketeers kill me, steal my kidneys, and sell them, I've been MURDERED, not ENSLAVED. And even if they figure out how to clone my kidneys and make new ones, my kidneys still haven't been "enslaved".
/and that observation remains true regardless of whether one believes that a foetus is fully a human being or not
The moral objection to slavery was not that the slaves were sentient, but that they were human beings
ReplyDeleteWhich brings me back to my first point; skin cells are not a human being.
If you steal body parts from a morgue and sell them, you are doubtless committing a crime and a wrong, but you aren't "enslaving" anyone.
You have half a point there. These cells are body parts, not a whole person. But they are not dead! The cells remain alive. They were cultured and reproduced to build a working vat of human skin cells. Like the aborted fetus, the living skin cells are not a legal person, but they are alive and they are human cells.
ReplyDeleteOne can argue it's not the same thing as slavery. I am arguing that it is at least a few steps along that same path.
By the way, I have heard reports of human slaves, Pakistani boys mostly, kept as organ donors for their wealthy aged owners in the Persian Gulf states.
Lots of overlap in these issues & the lines are very blurry here. I am not at all comfortable that Neocutis is in a morally positive area.
"If you KILL a human first, what is done with the human remains afterwards isn't "slavery". Correct."
ReplyDeleteYou are aware, the skin cells were harvested ALIVE from the aborted fetus, right? The living cells were then "enslaved", to work as a biochemical factory. I use the term enslaved, perhaps metaphorically, because the cells were taken without consent of the donor, were kept alive, fed and caged without freedom, to perform work for the "owners", Neocutis Corporation. A much more efficient form of slavery, to be sure.