Monday, October 19, 2009

C2 Afternoon News and Opinion - 10/19


Higher jobless rates could be new normal
(That was easy!)

Even with an economic revival, many U.S. jobs lost during the recession may be gone forever and a weak employment market could linger for years.

That could add up to a "new normal" of higher joblessness and lower standards of living for many Americans, some economists are suggesting.

The words "it's different this time" are always suspect. But economists and policy makers say the job-creating dynamics of previous recoveries can't be counted on now.

BARONE: Unlike Obama, Americans Reject European Model

An interesting paradox. Last year, America elected a president who, in attitudes and policies, is closer to the elites of Western Europe than any of his predecessors. Yet in the nine months that he has been in office, ordinary Americans have been moving away from those attitudes and policies and have increasingly embraced positions that over the years have made Americans distinctive from those in other advanced Western democracies.

Barack Obama's European tendencies aren't not in doubt. His policies on government spending, taxation, health care and carbon emissions would all tend to bring America in line with European norms, to a far greater degree than any other president of the last 40 years and probably any president ever.

In Hawaii, school's out for recession

At a time when President Barack Obama is pushing for more time in the classroom, his home state has created the nation's shortest school year under a new union contract that closes schools on most Fridays for the remainder of the academic calendar.

The deal whacks 17 days from the school year for budget-cutting reasons and has education advocates incensed that Hawaii is drastically cutting the academic calendar at a time when it already ranks near the bottom in national educational achievement.

83 comments:

  1. Am I here in time to get an avatar? Please? I miss the kitty.

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  2. My avatar has returned! But for how long?

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  3. Hawaii is probably going to be in trouble with the feds over that shortened school year. Isn't there a federal mandate requiring a minimum of 180 school days?

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  4. Okay, who put that dope on a rope in my shower?

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  5. My step daughter just had a baby girl. If it was a boy the father wanted to name him Uriah. All I could think of was the band.

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  6. Well, there goes my avatar. Bye, Avatar.

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  7. Higher unemployment indefinitely, substantially lower wages. Hooray! Ain't this some great change?

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  8. Congrats on the baby girl, UFO. Uriah? It sounds...well...like what we would name a germ. But if your name is Uriah, it is a LOVERLY name.

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  9. ArmyWife, Doppelganglander.
    Good to see you both.

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  10. 'Afternoon, DEZ, how's everything?

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  11. Mentioning the Pub in the previous thread and then posting news stories that affect our lives - well - that's just plain wrong.////

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  12. Russkilitlover said...

    "Afternoon, DEZ, how's everything?"
    If I felt any better I couldnt live with myself. ;)

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  13. Are pants required in a news thread?

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  14. midwestgak said...

    Mentioning the Pub in the previous thread and then posting news stories that affect our lives - well - that's just plain wrong.////


    The Wee Won hasn't driven you to drink yet?

    Wow, you're tough!

    ;-P

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  15. Pants are always required, DEZ. Unless you are time traveling.

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  16. UFO TOFU said...
    My step daughter just had a baby girl. If it was a boy the father wanted to name him Uriah. All I could think of was the band.

    As in Heap? I attended one of their concerts. In a gymnasium.

    Hiya UFO!

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  17. Ooh, my cat is sleeping beside my keyboard and she is currently dreaming heavily. Soooo sweeet!

    What are pure house cats dreaming about I wonder?

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  18. The new agreement also guarantees no layoffs for two years and postpones the implementation of random drug testing for teachers.
    Why would you drug test teachers?

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  19. Most cats dream of killing the owner....
    I swear.

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  20. My cat would NEVER dream such a thing. She is...special. THAT kind of special.

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  21. 1,502 pages of crap.
    And thats just the prefix.

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  22. DEZ - Not my caaaa ...aaat. ;-)

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  23. Better yet, why would the Union fight having random tests done? Sheesh.

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  24. Former Earth Liberation Front spokesman starts up 'radical' environmental magazine

    In an interview this morning, he said he wants readers to understand that the environment "is being destroyed because government and industry are making a lot of money off that destruction."

    Tactics going forward should include boycotts, sit-ins and "economic sabotage," which Rosebraugh described as "nonviolent property destruction" that targets profits made by environmental exploitation.


    Did you sprain your one functioning brain cell coming up with "nonviolent property destruction?"

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  25. AW, was kidding about the cats, I have two.
    But they do seem to be up to something...

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  26. Hiya midwestgak! Good to see you.
    I made another pot of coffee to make it through the last hour. I haven't made it to pub yet. I need to get my priorities straight.

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  27. Someone get that cat off Callahan!

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  28. I think mine dreams of whacking the chihuahuas.

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  29. UN-backed panel confirms massive Afghan fraud

    U.N.-backed fraud investigators on Monday threw out nearly a third of President Hamid Karzai's votes from the August election, undercutting his claim of victory and stepping up the pressure for him to accept a runoff.

    The Obama administration has been holding off on a decision to send more troops to Afghanistan until a credible government is installed in Kabul.


    Oh boy, another excuse for Obama to blow off the military requests.

    /I guess we can kiss American reinforcements in time for the annual Taliban Spring offensive goodbye

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  30. nonviolent property destruction
    I realize that I can be thick sometimes, but I can't quite wrap my head around that one. A gentle explosion perhaps?

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  31. Hi there DEZ. Need a lift (oh crap, my avatar's gone, never mind)?

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  32. ArmyWife,
    I think mine dreams of whacking the chihuahuas.
    ---

    Mine is a Maine Coon, she is a very cool cat. Very evenly balanced, but when I look at the sheer size of her claws I'd have no doubt of who would come out of a fight the winner.

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  33. I had a Maine Coon growing up. The coolest guy EVER. My cat now is just a cat. Who licks windows.

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  34. They are welcome to try the non violent property damage at my house... If they dont mind the non violent ass whooping they get in return.

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  35. I have genuine, pure-bred whack cat. He doesn't like the goat and I think he dreams of killing the tortoise.

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  36. UFO TOFU said...
    Hiya midwestgak! Good to see you.
    I made another pot of coffee to make it through the last hour. I haven't made it to pub yet. I need to get my priorities straight.


    Right, coffee first, pub second. Figuring out what a cat is dreaming somewhere in between.

    I love this site!!

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  37. Killian

    The Obama administration has been holding off on a decision to send more troops to Afghanistan until a credible government is installed in Kabul.


    RW and I were discussing the corruption issue in Afghanistan. My point of view is that corruption, bribery etc... are almost culturally ingrained in the ME. Nothing gets done with out baksheesh, and back room deals.

    While we work toward less of it, it's not going to happen soon, in the meantime we take what we can get.

    Afghanistan had an election. That's a whole heck of a lot of progress. It's not time to pull the support rug out because they run an election like King Co. WA.

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  38. Its a site for sore eyes Gak.

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  39. You would think The One would be a bit more tolerant of corrupt elections, ya know?

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  40. UFO TOFU said...

    I have genuine, pure-bred whack cat. He doesn't like the goat and I think he dreams of killing the tortoise.


    I swear our last cat when he looked at me, was wondering what I tasted like......

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  41. DEZ said...
    Its a site for sore eyes Gak.

    I don't presume to speak for others, but if you all might want to join in, here's a huge,

    GROAN.

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  42. JCM said...

    I swear our last cat when he looked at me, was wondering what I tasted like......

    And people think cats are licking them out of affection...
    Hey tabby, this one tastes like chicken!

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  43. I'm going to go feed my family. BBL.

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  44. Later ArmyWife. Don't let the asparagus fall through the grill!

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  45. Is tofu like that stuff you scrape off an aquarium glass?

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  46. ArmyWife said...

    You would think The One would be a bit more tolerant of corrupt elections, ya know?


    /especially after they sent Carville to work for the opposition candidate and undermine Karzai in the election

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  47. Mentioning the Pub in the previous thread and then posting news stories that affect our lives - well - that's just plain wrong.////

    : )

    Dear gak: Brandy is lacing up her corset as we speak. Same Pub time, same Pub channel! It won't be long now.

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  48. I think that tofu is like marmite, but without the (disgusting) flavor. Someone told me tofu is healthy, so I, of course, have never tried it. But anything launch-able could be fun.
    Last employee is back, consider me gone. Take care and someone snag a cigar if ArmyWife is passing them out later.

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  49. JCM said...
    "Afghanistan had an election. That's a whole heck of a lot of progress. It's not time to pull the support rug out because they run an election like King Co. WA."

    But it's the perfect excuse at their disposal. I think it is telling and worrisome that Obama has had his general's recommendation for weeks now and still no decision. He really does not know what to do. If he can stall and "blame" others, like election results, he can keep all the icky war stuff away from him for a while. Of course, in delay there lies no plenty - our troops are dangerously in limbo.

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  50. I have genuine, pure-bred whack cat. He doesn't like the goat and I think he dreams of killing the tortoise.

    Is this your cat?

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  51. Russkilitlover said...

    It's an excuse for not doing the hard things.
    Afghanistan policy is going to effect the region.

    What I see right now does not bode well for the region, or our security.

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  52. M'friends I have to pass the pub thread as it is late for me.
    Sorry! You've all been again a superb company.
    - - -
    Gals, guys 'n 'menschen'.
    See y'all down the road.
    I love {y’all) Really!

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  53. Corre∫pondence Committee said...

    Is this your cat?


    /Don't Pet This Kitty!!

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  54. Dear CC - Go Packers!!!

    ever see someone hunch down and wait for a reaction?

    Go Bears!!!!

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  55. Dear CC - Go Packers!!!

    ever see someone hunch down and wait for a reaction?

    Go Bears!!!!

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  56. Wow KB, that cat needs an attitude adjustment.

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  57. Pakistan cuts deal with anti-American militants

    Pakistan's army, in the midst of a major new offensive against Taliban militants, has struck deals to keep two powerful, anti-U.S. tribal chiefs from joining the battle against the government, officials said Monday.

    The deals increase the chances of an army victory against Pakistan's enemy No. 1, but indicate that the 3-day-old assault into the Taliban's strongholds in South Waziristan may have less effect than the U.S. wants on a spreading insurgency across the border in Afghanistan.

    Under the terms agreed to about three weeks ago, Taliban renegades Maulvi Nazir and Hafiz Gul Bahadur will stay out of the current fight in parts of South Waziristan controlled by the Pakistani Taliban. They will also allow the army to move through their own lands unimpeded, giving the military additional fronts from which to attack the Taliban.


    Here we go again, a half ass, half measure military operation.

    /after cutting deals to end their last three incursions into South Waziristan, you'd think that the Pakistan government would have figured out by now that these deals just mean they'll have to come back and do it again later

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  58. Dear CC - Go Packers!!!

    ever see someone hunch down and wait for a reaction?

    Go Bears!!!!


    LOL

    I have a real-world friend who reminds me of you (he used to play semi-pro football and grew up in Chicago)...ahhhhhh...you Bears fans just can't leave it alone. LMAO ; )

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  59. /Don't Pet This Kitty!!

    Damn, K/B! That is one mad cat! I see there's a Part II over there...does the guy behind the camera survive??

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  60. Why do you think Pakistan would have the figured out? Heck, we keep expecting Israel to do this over and over and over again, each time expecting something miraculous to happen.

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  61. I am stuffed to the gills, btw. And Mr.AW is sitting behind me on the couch eating ice cream. I don't know where he is putting it!

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  62. Is everyone waiting to pounch into the pub or something?

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  63. I iz gonna post FIRST, AW.

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